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Gerryn
#1 Posted : 11 January 2019 15:35:53(UTC)
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Another Gerryn Rant - read on if interested, shove off if you aren't!

Why do we now see constant enquiries' from new car owners who are more concerned about what they can get from the radio, media, phone, music etc than they are interested in what the car is doing? I can't honestly remember the last time I listened to any of my favorite CD's, never mind what else I can get out of the radio, or it's various interfaces. 

As a petrol head, I prefer listening to the sound of the car, the engine, exhaust, road noises and car interaction than I listen to anything that comes from the radio. That I find intrusive and in the main, not worth listening to during a journey. I can only assume new car owners are more concerned with not listening to the car and it's noises, but would sooner listen to anything other than that, indicating to me that we are seeing the end of petrol heads, and the advent of media fanatics. 

If you aren't concerned with what the car is doing then you aren't able to detect subtle changes in what the engine of drive train is doing, or the suspension and tyres are either, so you are out of touch with reality, and more indulging in a form of escapism. In days of old, no sportscar came with a radio, if you were in a traffic jam then you were stuck with it, no radio could get you out of it. You either used your brain, or you had a good navigator onboard who could help in that situation.

Presumably we now have owners who were more used to ordinary cars, which in the main were boring to drive, so the radio became something that was needed to create some interest, other than being another bored driver, having refused to shake off past habits, the need for something else to take your mind away from the car remains a string influence, but detracts from the original Japanese concept of the horse and rifer - do Horses have radios?

If a horse labours, you either stop and give it arrest, or take it easy, depending on the horse's stamina. If a horse breaths badly, then you do the same. If it limps, you get off and find out why, if necessary see a blacksmith to get a stone from one hoof, or see a vet if the horse has picked up a strain. All relative to driving a car. Stick headphone on, and listen to your I pad instead means you lose touch with the horse, and possibly shorten it's life. All relative to driving a great sportscar.

What's your reaction?

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#2 Posted : 11 January 2019 15:49:23(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 11 January 2019 16:17:23(UTC)
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To prove I read every word of your post Gerry, we've moved on from being propelled along by horses.

I like a tune to drive along to, I've got a few options to play them and enjoy it.
Having the ability to speak to someone by phone whilst driving is not something I enjoy, although I always ask if I/they can ring later when not driving or let my OH deal with it.

Basically if you're not happy with having music on reach for the off switch or rip the unit out if you hate it.

Sounds like you've got your grumpy head on today Gerry "shove off" indeed.

 

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#4 Posted : 11 January 2019 16:32:04(UTC)
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Petrol heads are an endangered species. Now it is all turbo diesel SUV's the size of tanks. Sportscars are also getting bigger, the SLK is a huge car. Most of these things will not fit in a garage anymore. Fortunately the MX5 is still around and will be for many years. When the day is at an end I shall switch to an Apple car which will take me anywhere. I shall sit in the back reading a newspaper or writing an email or even having a drink knowing my days of redlining a twin cam have finally ended. It was good while it lasted.

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#5 Posted : 11 January 2019 16:33:50(UTC)
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I agree with you Gerryn. I feel sorry for the car designers who concentrate on developing the driving characteristics of a car only to discover that the buyer is more interested in the touch screen connectivity. Driving skillfully and for pleasure seems frowned upon by officialdom and modern road test impressions of a car rarely comment on the handling or the balance of the chassis. The engine power and acceleration seem to be emphasised but in real world driving hardly needed or used. "Driving Aids" seem to be applauded whereas I feel they just dumb down the driver's awareness.

However I too am an old fogey and probably swimming against the tide and the clock cannot be turned back to mix metaphors. I enjoy my NB without ABS and find on our minor roads it has all the performance one wants. The radio stays silent so I can gauge how the car is responding. I do appreciate SatNav on my phone as this does make driving solo to unfamiliar places more relaxing.

My Son appreciates the technology in his new car and I just accept that he is the future and not so interested and his Eunos sits on our drive unused.

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#6 Posted : 11 January 2019 16:39:21(UTC)
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unfortunately times have changed, roads are so crowded you rarely get the chance to enjoy a car like you are saying Gerry. So whilst suck in a traffic jam on the motorway it is nice to have air-con and some nice tunes along with the ability to communicate with the rest of the world.

Probably why a lot of us have daily and an MX-5
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#7 Posted : 11 January 2019 16:49:23(UTC)
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Agree with you up to a point Gerry. Theres a lot of choice of music formats nowadays,however I'm a 55 year old technophobe,and do enjoy a run in my car accompanied  with a selection of cds. My 1800 nb with its cobalt exhaust makes a lovely sound,so I find,does the late Rick Parfitt's telecaster. I'm sure others will disagree,but they aren't in my car 

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#8 Posted : 11 January 2019 16:50:51(UTC)
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I suspect the first car radios to be fitted were not fitted to "ordinary" cars, but probably extraordinary cars. But you probably already know that the first commercial car radio was fitted into a Studebaker. Lear (as in Lear Jets) and Wavering invented it (apparently they thought it a good idea to pick up the ladies), Galvin built it, and launched the Motorola in 1930. Ford started factory installing radios in 1933.

According to the definition given for a so-called petrolhead, a MX5 and a hardtop are incompatable, as the hardtop robs you of "road noises and car interaction". None of that "wind in the hair" business.

There is a MX5 link in the history of the car radio. Hugo Fiennes ran the original MX5 Mailing List (some of that remembered that). He had a BBR MX5. I suppose back in 1996-97, he shared detailed on the mailing list of his home brew in car MPEG player; he was one of the early fans of digital music. He ended up commercialising that; the Rio. The bigger makers picked up on this, and the rest is history. Hugo (a cousin to the famous acting brothers) went on to be emplyed by Apple, and apparently pretty much invented one of the Iphones, and now runs his own inventive business.

When the MX5 was launched, in 1989, Japan and the US had a unique fit radio-cassette, with optional cd player. CD players in 1989 were pretty exotic, and at the time, most other car makers were still using off the shelf units, rather than the unit Mazda commissioned from Panasonic to fit the MX5. A factory option was the speedomatic volume control; essentially tying in the volume control to the rev counter, so during your screaming launches, you could hear Def Leppard or Europe, top down (with your head rest speakers completing the effect), but the volume would automatically wind down when the trafic light was red. A year later, Mazda got Pioneer to fit the MSSS system; effectively surround sound system for the MX5, through a special amplifier, and modified seats (turning the seat frame into the speaker), to further improve the aural experience.

But now you say the idea of a car radio is an anathema to a "true petrolhead". I must be a fake one then. You indicate that you believe the inclusion of on board entertainment systems caused the death of the petrolhead. If that were true, then Mazda pulled the trigger (a double tap) back in 1989 with its audio-laden Miata, and fooled the enthusiasts who thought they were getting a petrolhead's dream, but were in fact mislead.

The petrolhead was invented in the US, by the returning doughboys after WW1, slamming in Curtiss aircraft engines onto old truck chassis, and trying to go darn fast, while basically inventing the art of tuning along the way. I'm a big fan of a youtuber, under the monika of Cleetus MacFarland. Does great stuff tinkering with big ol' V8s (actually quite new V8s, likes C6 Covettes running pickup block motors). Petrolheads of that ilk are not dying out, they are changing, adapting, blooming. Pretty impressive to see a manual box street Corvette run 7s.

As for your horse analogy; when it comes to the racing horses, the jockeys have a habit of pushing their steeds to literal heart attacks. Petrol heads are like their equine equivalents; race till it breaks, then get another car, start again. Moss broke a fair few cars.
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#9 Posted : 11 January 2019 16:50:55(UTC)
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I've never listened to the radio/cassettes/CD's in my cars because:

A) When I want to listen to music, I want to LISTEN to it.

B) I find it distracting, hard to concentrate so I can't drive, read or study with it in the background. 

C)  I'm not a petrol-head, but I do like to listen to my car, I find it re-assuring to hear it running properly.

Now I know that I'm in the minority here, and luckily I've never commuted any great distance by car or taken long, boring journeys on motorways so as another poster has said "each to their own".  Some years ago two friends and myself went on a trip to southern Germany and in turn we had an hour of our musical preferences, it really seemed to wind them up when my slot was always and hour without anything.  

PS:  I have driven long distances, around France, Spain, Germany, Ireland, England, Scotland etc., but I've never felt the need for "entertainment" whilst driving.

PPS:  Is the need for in car entertainment age related?  My own experiences seem to show that those born before the 60's don't and those born during and after the 60's do.

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Don't take my post as a personal attack, it's not! Just sound advice stupid!

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#10 Posted : 11 January 2019 16:55:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Raymond Harper Go to Quoted Post

Petrol heads are an endangered species. Now it is all turbo diesel SUV's the size of tanks. Sportscars are also getting bigger, the SLK is a huge car. Most of these things will not fit in a garage anymore. Fortunately the MX5 is still around and will be for many years. When the day is at an end I shall switch to an Apple car which will take me anywhere. I shall sit in the back reading a newspaper or writing an email or even having a drink knowing my days of redlining a twin cam have finally ended. It was good while it lasted.

 

But guess what, that Apple car will stop you from becoming housebound due to ill health. Most of us will end up with dementia, drooling from the corner of our mouths.

 

Diesel sales have been decimated. Interesting radio interview witht he head of MG UK today, about their pipeline. They ditched the diesel years ago, and are launching a full electric SUV this year, as well as petrol hybrids.

 

 

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Couldn't agree more with Gerryn and Countryboy.

I only put the radio/CD on in a traffic jam. Other than that it is off! If I want to really listen to music I will play it on my retro hi-fi.

Cars are becoming so utterly boring to drive, the only way to differentiate them is by advertising how much "connectivity" they have. Cars are becoming nothing more exciting than a computer with a wheel at each corner for the generation who can't bear to be without a smartphone, either as a car acting as one or a mobile one clamped to their ear.

Call me an old fart and petrol head if you want, but I prefer the "connectivity" I hear between my right foot and the exhaust note of of my car.

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#12 Posted : 11 January 2019 17:41:34(UTC)
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OK, well, driving for the most part these days is a bloody awful thing to have to do. I'm sitting in an office now contemplating a 2.5 miles drive home, not far you may say but it will average about 4-8 mph, quicker to walk sometimes, but not to when you need a car to travel during the day! Do you begrudge me the chance to listen to some interesting music on Radio6music DAB station as I most probably will do for 20 minutes?  It will help me chill after a hard day!

The daily commute, the trip to the supermarket or DIY store at the weekend is all about queuing, delays, traffic lights, potholes , roadworks, diversions, putting up with all the other bad drivers etc. etc. its not an experience that can possibly be enjoyed at all anymore, and that's irrespective of what you're driving. Sadly the younger generations in many cases know nothing different, driving is some to be endured, and frankly the more in the car then the better!  If that's music, pod casts or just marvelling at all the hold ups etc. that are showing up on the sat nav screen it makes that experience just a bit better. If you are really stressed of course you can even ask the android phone (or apple thingy)  jobby to tell you a joke now!  So don't knock the in car tech, its keeping a lot of people sane!

But if you still have the desire to be a "petrol head" then the opportunity still exists, and I'm sure a lot of us on here are and know how to do it properly.  Having a car with great tech does not preclude you from also finding that quiet B road (they are still out there) on a Sunday morning and having a proper blast, it doesn't stop you doing a track day or sprint event and really letting your true petrol head nature shine through. 

A decent stereo and driving fun are not mutually exclusive. 

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Originally Posted by: First rider off Go to Quoted Post

Couldn't agree more with Gerryn and Countryboy.

I only put the radio/CD on in a traffic jam. Other than that it is off! If I want to really listen to music I will play it on my retro hi-fi.

Cars are becoming so utterly boring to drive, the only way to differentiate them is by advertising how much "connectivity" they have. Cars are becoming nothing more exciting than a computer with a wheel at each corner for the generation who can't bear to be without a smartphone, either as a car acting as one or a mobile one clamped to their ear.

Call me an old fart and petrol head if you want, but I prefer the "connectivity" I hear between my right foot and the exhaust note of of my car.

I say don't blame the car, its the roads we now have to drive that are the problem. No point in having the great exhaust note and right foot connectivity if sitting in a queue at the temporary traffic lights, with two dozen other motorists all getting frustrated with the hold up!! and for many that's the reality of most drives.. 

 

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Crikey, Gerryn - you've really started something here!
At the risk of misquoting the Honourable Member for Grumpshire and Toton (Notts.) - it's really a case of horses for courses, I think.

In my daily drive Freelander which does about 12000 miles p.a. mainly solo, the radio and/or CD is seldom off as I drive mainly A roads and motorways listening to an eclectic mix of Radio2, Classic FM and various classical CDs or melodic pop of various vintages. The traffic broadcasts can be darn useful too. It also drowns out the diesel rumble...

OTOH, my NC Sport seldom gets to hear any of the above - I'd rather be 'in-tune' with the car and road and all my surroundings - uaually top down unless it's chucking it down. But I guess I'm one of a dying breed; neither of my daughters or their spouses are remotely interested in the REAL driving experience.
For them, a car is like a 4-wheeled domestic appliance, and the more electronic bells and whistles it has - the better. They don't know what they're missing, IMHO, but they are far from unique. An interesting statistic quoted on R4 the other day - fewer and fewer under-25's are actually learning to drive.

SO - I think you're actually right, Gerryn, more's the pity!
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Originally Posted by: Raymond Harper Go to Quoted Post

Petrol heads are an endangered species. Now it is all turbo diesel SUV's the size of tanks. Sportscars are also getting bigger, the SLK is a huge car. Most of these things will not fit in a garage anymore. Fortunately the MX5 is still around and will be for many years. When the day is at an end I shall switch to an Apple car which will take me anywhere. I shall sit in the back reading a newspaper or writing an email or even having a drink knowing my days of redlining a twin cam have finally ended. It was good while it lasted.

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Originally Posted by: First rider off Go to Quoted Post

Couldn't agree more with Gerryn and Countryboy.

I only put the radio/CD on in a traffic jam. Other than that it is off! If I want to really listen to music I will play it on my retro hi-fi.

Cars are becoming so utterly boring to drive, the only way to differentiate them is by advertising how much "connectivity" they have. Cars are becoming nothing more exciting than a computer with a wheel at each corner for the generation who can't bear to be without a smartphone, either as a car acting as one or a mobile one clamped to their ear.

Call me an old fart and petrol head if you want, but I prefer the "connectivity" I hear between my right foot and the exhaust note of of my car.

 

But the Mk4 is drive by wire, so your right foot isn't connected to anything. It could be said your ND is a sanitized facsimile of the original NA, but you preferred the fake over the original. Each to their own. Of course, in 1989, the original was also dismissed by those types who preferred a hand crank over an electric starter. Even the 1989 MX5 needed a computer to keep it running.

 

Europol had something to say about this, defining the population as analogue natives, first generaly digital natives and second generation digital natives. Today's children are second generation digital natives. Their view of the world will be as different as your view of the world compared to your great grandparents. My great grandparents were born in the 1880s. The car was a complete mystery to them all their lives. They also didn't have anything as modern as recorded music, preferring to make their own with a mouth organ and violin. In a way, your retro hio-fi was as boring for them, as how you view modern digital music.

 

I wouldn't be so negative on people who view electronic communications as an essential element of life, just because you don't get it/ understand it. There are essentially 4 generations of digital users; there is the older generation, aged over 60. For most of them, they only encountered digital technology late in life. they see most of it as utterly irrelevant to their lives. Then there is the generation aged 40-60; we started using digital technology at the start of our working lives (sent my first email in 1991). We might paly a few games, but by and large, we see digital technology as a tool. Then there is the first generation digital natives; essentially adults born after 1995. Born into a world that was rapidly becoming digital. Digital is seen by them as an essential part of their working and personal lives. Then there is the second generation digital native; children born in the last 10 years. They don't see a boundary as such, and have a completely different view of the technology. The old world would confounds them, and that is how it should be, just as I would be confounded by the lousy world of the 1950s, or the cap doffing world of 1914. This generation is thought to be most likely to accept  digital implants, to improve that interface.

 

Europol's Project 2020 from way back:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/publications-documents/project-2020-scenarios-for-future-of-cybercrime

 

Some things they got right, the technology they were off a bit. Elements are prescient.

 

The fun element of their output:

http://2020.trendmicro.com/en/#.XDjWcc2nyUk

 

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Originally Posted by: First rider off Go to Quoted Post

Couldn't agree more with Gerryn and Countryboy.

I only put the radio/CD on in a traffic jam. Other than that it is off! If I want to really listen to music I will play it on my retro hi-fi.

Cars are becoming so utterly boring to drive, the only way to differentiate them is by advertising how much "connectivity" they have. Cars are becoming nothing more exciting than a computer with a wheel at each corner for the generation who can't bear to be without a smartphone, either as a car acting as one or a mobile one clamped to their ear.

Call me an old fart and petrol head if you want, but I prefer the "connectivity" I hear between my right foot and the exhaust note of of my car.

I say don't blame the car, its the roads we now have to drive that are the problem. No point in having the great exhaust note and right foot connectivity if sitting in a queue at the temporary traffic lights, with two dozen other motorists all getting frustrated with the hold up!! and for many that's the reality of most drives.. 

 

 

I appear to be a minority of one here.

 

The MX5 exhaust note people marvel at; the original was based on the MGB. ie. a fake noise in a way.

 

As for the road "quality"; is this rose tinted glasses, or was it actually the case that in this country, there was only a very narrow period when roads were considered "good". Until recently, the number of times Watling Street (the A5) had actually been resurfaced in its history could be counted on two hands. ie. there was a period when that road was appalling.

 

Even so, in the 21st century, although public roads may have changed, the motorist now has an opportunity to drive their cars in a manner previous generations could only dream of, given the explosion in the last 20 years of safe, well organised track days. I could also say the reduction in restrictions traveling between countries means that access to foreign alpine roads is open to all, and not just the wealthy and well connected.

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I find the term 'petrolhead' loathsome, and certainly don't answer to it . It connotes knuckle dragging Clarkson fans who take his (very amusing and slick )TV persona seriously . I also don't buy the 'all cars are so boring now ' charge - we have always had workaday , unexciting mainstream cars - certainly since I passed my test in 71. Viva and Cherries , Maxis and (most) Escorts were vanilla products then just as Jukes and (most) Clios are now. That said , I relish driving anything new , anywhere, any time .

And I really don't see MX5s as much more than fun sports tourers -nothing wrong with that but compared to the Sevens I had for 20 years they are very tame . Fun yes , and very good indeed at being all rounders , but in terms of steering feel , acceleration , handling and grip they are far more removed from a Seven than an MX5 is from a good hot hatch .

Before anyone feels the need to accuse me of being unfair to MX5s do understand I think they are cracking little cars but they are very long way from being an uncompromised sports car - dammit , they've got power steering and traction control ! (yup, just like a 488GTB...)
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I find the term 'petrolhead' loathsome, and certainly don't answer to it . It connotes knuckle dragging Clarkson fans who take his (very amusing and slick )TV persona seriously . I also don't buy the 'all cars are so boring now ' charge - we have always had workaday , unexciting mainstream cars - certainly since I passed my test in 71. Viva and Cherries , Maxis and (most) Escorts were vanilla products then just as Jukes and (most) Clios are now. That said , I relish driving anything new , anywhere, any time .

And I really don't see MX5s as much more than fun sports tourers -nothing wrong with that but compared to the Sevens I had for 20 years they are very tame . Fun yes , and very good indeed at being all rounders , but in terms of steering feel , acceleration , handling and grip they are far more removed from a Seven than an MX5 is from a good hot hatch .

Before anyone feels the need to accuse me of being unfair to MX5s do understand I think they are cracking little cars but they are very long way from being an uncompromised sports car - dammit , they've got power steering and traction control ! (yup, just like a 488GTB...)

 

Back in 1989:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdPKoEhvmkU

 

Note the closing remarks. Speed sensitive PAS and power windows were seen then as a bit too modern.

 

Any car can be made fun to drive. Even Austin Maxis were rallied. Vivas gave rise to Magnums and Droopsnoots, and cars called "Big Bertha".

 

I've fallen for my 2004 XJ8. It has an unbelievable amount  of electronic gadgetry that will likely bankrupt me at some point. But that AJV8 at 6500rpm just sounds magnificent, in a fake way. The CD player doesn't really work, since Jaguar decided to try out fiber optics instead of copper cable. So the factory's decision in fitting a cassette player (one of the last cars I believe to be fitted with these) seems a little wise.

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Originally Posted by: saz9961 Go to Quoted Post

There are essentially 4 generations of digital users; there is the older generation, aged over 60. For most of them, they only encountered digital technology late in life. they see most of it as utterly irrelevant to their lives. Then there is the generation aged 40-60; we started using digital technology at the start of our working lives (sent my first email in 1991). We might paly a few games, but by and large, we see digital technology as a tool. Then there is the first generation digital natives; essentially adults born after 1995. Born into a world that was rapidly becoming digital. Digital is seen by them as an essential part of their working and personal lives. Then there is the second generation digital native; children born in the last 10 years. They don't see a boundary as such, and have a completely different view of the technology.  

 

I think this sums up perfectly, and in more detail what I was alluding to in my earlier post.  I'd been at work for fourteen years before the arrival of the firm's first computer.  A huge IBM which needed a room with slightly higher air pressure to keep the dust out an operatives in white coats, and computing power much less than my great nephew's smart phone.  So I'm in the first generation with an analogue brain.

Edited by user 11 January 2019 19:24:09(UTC)  | Reason: Added text

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